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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/17/2019 at 17:43
There isone of these up for sale, and I'm wondering what you all think of thisparticular scope. It appears to be in fairly good condition, although itdoes have a scratch in the finish from scope rings. Were these 1" KahlesHelia scopes as good as the corresponding Swarovskis? I gather that thesewere made primarily for the North American market.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/17/2019 at 17:43
There isone of these up for sale, and I'm wondering what you all think of thisparticular scope. It appears to be in fairly good condition, although itdoes have a scratch in the finish from scope rings. Were these 1" KahlesHelia scopes as good as the corresponding Swarovskis? I gather that thesewere made primarily for the North American market.
Anyopinions much appreciated.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: koshkin
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/17/2019 at 20:43
They were marketed as Kahles KX here in the US fairly recently. They are excellent scopes.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/17/2019 at 20:43
They were marketed as Kahles KX here in the US fairly recently. They are excellent scopes.
ILya
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: bugsNbows
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 06:04
I had one several years ago. Like a fool, I sold it. It is a keeper.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 06:04
I had one several years ago. Like a fool, I sold it. It is a keeper.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 13:05
Were there several variants of this scope over the last fewyears? ILya has mentioned the designation KX for those sold in the US,but I've run across reference to a CL model as well, and reference to a “multi-zero"feature. And in pictures I've seen ofthem, their external appearance has differed from one to another--particularlyin the power-changing ring—as seen in the following picture when compared tothe one in my first post.![]()
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 13:05
Were there several variants of this scope over the last fewyears? ILya has mentioned the designation KX for those sold in the US,but I've run across reference to a CL model as well, and reference to a “multi-zero"feature. And in pictures I've seen ofthem, their external appearance has differed from one to another--particularlyin the power-changing ring—as seen in the following picture when compared tothe one in my first post.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: Sparky
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 15:05
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 15:05
 South Pender wrote:but I've run across reference to a CL model as well, and reference to a “multi-zero"feature. |
I believe the multi zero feature was for use with the Sako Quad rimfire rifle. The Quad had four different rimfire cal barrels a 22LR, 22Mag, 17M2 and the 17HMR. And that Kahles had four different zero settings, one for each cal. So one could change a barrel(In seconds according to Sako.) and change the zero setting on the scope to the correct cal by just turning the correct colored ring(There were 4 different colored rings to set one for each cal.) corresponding to each cal . Once all four had been zeroed initially.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: Sakoshooter
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 17:56
If I'm not mistaken, the multi-zero scope you are speaking of was a Burris product. Burris and Sako are both Beretta holdings and I own a Sako quad, though not with the multi-zero scope.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 17:56
If I'm not mistaken, the multi-zero scope you are speaking of was a Burris product. Burris and Sako are both Beretta holdings and I own a Sako quad, though not with the multi-zero scope.
I have found that my Sako Quad requires an objective bell of approximately 36mm or less with medium rings to facilitate barrel changes as the barrel tilts up slightly, but if a scope was mounted higher a 40mm plus objective would work.
But I digress...
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 18:59
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 18:59
No, not a Burris scope. It's a Kahles. See below:
https://www.chuckhawks.com/kahles_heliaCL_3-9x42.htm
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: mike650
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 19:26
I have the same but slightly different one, Kahles CL multi-zero in 2-7x36. They're really nice scopes.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 19:26
I have the same but slightly different one, Kahles CL multi-zero in 2-7x36. They're really nice scopes.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 19:41
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 19:41
| mike650 wrote: I have the same but slightly different one, Kahles CL multi-zero in 2-7x36. They're really nice scopes. |
Mike, what does the "CL" designation mean?
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: mike650
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:21
I believe 1" tube (2nd focal plane, variable)
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:21
I believe 1" tube (2nd focal plane, variable)
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: koshkin
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:24
The 3-9x42 Kahles CL had side-focus and was optionally equipped with multi-zero turret. The 3-9x42 KX was somewhat similar, but without side-focus, so the design was slightly simpler and less well corrected toward the edges.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:24
The 3-9x42 Kahles CL had side-focus and was optionally equipped with multi-zero turret. The 3-9x42 KX was somewhat similar, but without side-focus, so the design was slightly simpler and less well corrected toward the edges.
2-7x36 CL did not have side-focus.
Kahles' multi-zero was not specific to any rifle. It simply allowed you to preset several different aiming points, sorta like a customizable BDC dial.
The original Sako Quad scopes was a Burris 3-9x32 with a similar elevation dial that allowed for four different zero settings.
Generally, the patent for this type of the tureet was/is held by Hi-Lux and they licensed it to Kahles as I recall.
ILya
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: RifleDude
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:33
Of the 1" tube Kahles scopes that were marketed in the USA that I have personal experience with:
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:33
Of the 1" tube Kahles scopes that were marketed in the USA that I have personal experience with:
Originally, Kahles offered the "AH" ("American Hunter") series. I don't know if they manufactured a 1" tube variable prior to the AH series or not; this is the first Kahles 1" variable series I was aware of.
A few years later, they introduced the CL series, which offered side focus on certain models and the "Multizero" turret option. The "Multizero" had nothing to do with the Sako Quad rifle (though it could certainly be used in an application like that); it was merely a way to set 5 different custom zeros at select distances, using a tool to unlock rows of indicator rings on the elevation knob. The CL series was an upgrade of the AH series, with slightly better optics.
The KX series then came a couple years after the CL series. It was basically a reintroduction of the AH series because of the considerable price gap between the original AH and CL scopes.
Then came the KXi, an illuminated reticle version of the KX series.
All are nice scopes, and I either own or have owned examples of the first 3. I've never owned or used a KXi. All of the above are now discontinued.
Kahles has had some confusing changes in their model line-up, has done a very poor job of marketing their products, and has changed their US distributor multiple times (with disastrous results IMO), finally returning to Swarovski for distribution and service in the US.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: RifleDude
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:35
Sorry to repeat your comments Ilya, I was typing my reply at the same time you were.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 20:35
Sorry to repeat your comments Ilya, I was typing my reply at the same time you were.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: mike650
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 22:08
LoL, I didn't notice toward the bottom of the article stating the 3-9x42 came with side focus. Yeah, my 2-7x36 doesn't have that, only what I wrote saying my scope was similar with multi-zero... 1" tube (2nd focal plane, variable). Yep, I'd buy it again.![Thunbs Up]( "Thunbs Up")
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/18/2019 at 22:08
LoL, I didn't notice toward the bottom of the article stating the 3-9x42 came with side focus. Yeah, my 2-7x36 doesn't have that, only what I wrote saying my scope was similar with multi-zero... 1" tube (2nd focal plane, variable). Yep, I'd buy it again.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: Sakoshooter
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 01:10
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 01:10
| koshkin wrote: Kahles' multi-zero was not specific to any rifle. It simply allowed you to preset several different aiming points, sorta like a customizable BDC dial. The original Sako Quad scopes was a Burris 3-9x32 with a similar elevation dial that allowed for four different zero settings. |
That's what I remembered, and though I didn't recall if the Burris Quad scope had a 32mm objective, it makes sense based on my experience scoping my Quad.
The Kahles turret actually reminds me of the Swarovski Z3 and Z5 turrets with the coloured rings, and the only Kahles Helia I've used I thought was a Z3 clone at the time. I could've been wrong though, maybe I had that impression because they were distributed by Swarovski?
I've never owned one though, and an not an expert.
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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Author: RifleDude
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 06:04
No, the Kahles Helia series is not a clone of Swaro Z3 series. Entirely different optical design. The Kahles MultiZero is also an entirely different design as the Swaro BT turret. On the Swaro BT, you remove the turret cap and remove and reposition each of the rings with the colored dots for various distances after setting your base zero. On the Kahles MultiZero, the indicator rings remain attached to the turret during the setting process. After setting your base zero, you unlock a clutch on top of the turret to rotate the individual rings.
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 06:04
No, the Kahles Helia series is not a clone of Swaro Z3 series. Entirely different optical design. The Kahles MultiZero is also an entirely different design as the Swaro BT turret. On the Swaro BT, you remove the turret cap and remove and reposition each of the rings with the colored dots for various distances after setting your base zero. On the Kahles MultiZero, the indicator rings remain attached to the turret during the setting process. After setting your base zero, you unlock a clutch on top of the turret to rotate the individual rings.
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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Author: Dimitar
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 06:32
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Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 06:32
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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Author: Dimitar
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 07:01
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Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 09:33
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