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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: SVT_Tactical
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 09:36

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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 10:32

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

No, the Kahles Helia series is not a clone of Swaro Z3 series. Entirely different optical design. The Kahles MultiZero is also an entirely different design as the Swaro BT turret. On the Swaro BT, you remove the turret cap and remove and reposition each of the rings with the colored dots for various distances after setting your base zero. On the Kahles MultiZero, the indicator rings remain attached to the turret during the setting process. After setting your base zero, you unlock a clutch on top of the turret to rotate the individual rings.

That's interesting, Ted.  Aside from these differences in turret design, how would you rate the Kahles Helia scopes vs. the Swarovski Z3s in terms of optical quality?  Specifically, how would the Swarovski Z3 3-9x36 compare optically to the Kahles 3-9x42 under discussion?

Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 10:34

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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: Chris Farris
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 12:46

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Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: Chris Farris
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 12:47

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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: tahqua
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 18:39

Good question Ralph. I'm looking to change scopes on my .260 M7 and those scopes are about as big as I want. I'm also a Kahles fan having four of them. But that particular Z3 had caught my attention.

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 20:05

These two scopes (Kahles 3-9x42 and Swarovski Z3 3-9x36) seem about right to me for a new Sako hunting rifle I've acquired.  As far as I can tell, the Kahles is about 2 oz. heavier than the Swaro (which weighs in at a svelte 12 oz.), and, perhaps more importantly, has an objective bell of 1.65" diameter vs. 1.89" for the Kahles.  I plan to use vintage Sako mounts (medium height), and I think I can mount both of these scopes, although the Kahles will be very close, with the objective almost touching the barrel.  I like to get the scopes on my hunting rigs mounted just as low as possible.  I asked about the optical quality of the two because if the Kahles is superior to the Z3, I'd probably opt for it.  Otherwise, I think the Z3 is probably the way to go.

Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: Kickboxer
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 20:45

I did check out the site.  

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: mike650
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 21:13

What reticle are you looking at for both scopes??

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 21:22

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

What reticle are you looking at for both scopes??

Well the used Kahles has the duplex reticle, which would be fine.  With the Swarovski Z3, I'd probably opt for the 4A.


Edited by South Pender - 21 hours 40 minutes ago at 23:21

Rifle Scopes : How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope

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Author: tahqua
Subject: How to Optically Check a Rifle Scope
Posted: July/19/2019 at 21:55

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Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: mike650
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/19/2019 at 23:25

My Kahles 4a reticle pops, brings your eye right to the center. I haven’t seen the Kahles plex but seen the z3 with 4a, I’d lean in that direction but that’s just me.

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: RifleDude
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/20/2019 at 08:43

Originally posted by South Pender South Pender wrote:

That's interesting, Ted.  Aside from these differences in turret design, how would you rate the Kahles Helia scopes vs. the Swarovski Z3s in terms of optical quality?  Specifically, how would the Swarovski Z3 3-9x36 compare optically to the Kahles 3-9x42 under discussion?

Optically, you’d be splitting hairs. Some eyes will prefer one over the other and vice-versa. I don’t recall thinking one was clearly superior over the other, and would have to do some very critical, controlled side by side comparisons to declare a “winner.” I’m just not all that interested in doing that because both are so good optically that optics were never a consideration for purchasing scopes from each series for me. Besides just enjoying variety and wanting scopes from each series, the specific combinations of size, weight, price, and reticle choice were the determining factors for what scope I selected for what rifle. I never gave a second thought to optics because I always knew both series would be plenty impressive. 

In your specific case, unless the asking price on the Kahles is really low, I would choose the Swaro Z3 3-9x36 in 4a reticle based mainly on reticle. I don’t care for the Kahles plex reticle. It’s too thin for my tastes and is a little hard to see in early dawn/late dusk against certain backgrounds. You can aim just as precisely with the 4a yet it’s much bolder and more visible in low light. I also tend to prefer lighter, more compact scopes on hardcore hunting rifles, and that little Swaro Z3 3-9x36 is my favorite of their 1” tubed scopes for that reason. For the same reason, my favorite 1” tube Kahles is the 2-7x36 CL.

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: South Pender
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/20/2019 at 09:58

Thanks, Ted and Mike.  That really helps.  I think I'll go with the Z3 and the 4a reticle for this hunting rig.

Rifle Scopes : Kahles Helia 3-9x42

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Author: Scrumbag
Subject: Kahles Helia 3-9x42
Posted: July/20/2019 at 11:14

I'm a fan of the Z3 in3-9x36

I bought 2 infact. Though for me I would like the slightly bigger objective of the Kahles but as others have said, difficult to go wrong with either...

Rifle Scopes : Scope suggestion

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Author: BlackSox16
Subject: Scope suggestion
Posted: July/25/2019 at 10:10

Hello to my longtime optic friends...I recognize quite a few usernames still here, and I'm back from a long break.   Anyways to the original poster - How about a 1" tubed Schmidt & Bender Summit 2.5-10x40 ?? I remember when it came out quite some time now it was really rated well...now I don't have one or own one but for me I still prefer 1" tubed scopes which seem to be fading away. I recently tried a Leupold VX5HD 2-10x42mm. Great scope but too big for my tastes on the mountain rifle I use. Anyways neither of these choices have illumination but the Leupold does offer it in their VX5HD lineup. On another site it is incredible how much Leupold gets bashed but I've always had good luck with them although I don't dial, pretty much I set and forget and verify each year. Good luck, maybe just me but I always wanted to try a S&B Summit. I owned a S&B Fixed 4x36 with the #7 reticle which is like a #4 for most brands...anyways I foolishly traded it in here for a Zeiss Conquest I believe. I went back to a like new, never mounted VX3, not the VX3i, 2.5-8x36 for my 700 mountain rifle and am very please fwiw. I prefer the older VX3 so it worked out well for me.

Rifle Scopes : Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40 problems

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Author: BlackSox16
Subject: Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40 problems
Posted: July/25/2019 at 11:48

Defective....contact Leupold imo

Rifle Scopes : Scope suggestion

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Author: koshkin
Subject: Scope suggestion
Posted: July/25/2019 at 12:32

Originally posted by BlackSox16 BlackSox16 wrote:

Hello to my longtime optic friends...I recognize quite a few usernames still here, and I'm back from a long break.   Anyways to the original poster - How about a 1" tubed Schmidt & Bender Summit 2.5-10x40 ?? I remember when it came out quite some time now it was really rated well...now I don't have one or own one but for me I still prefer 1" tubed scopes which seem to be fading away. I recently tried a Leupold VX5HD 2-10x42mm. Great scope but too big for my tastes on the mountain rifle I use. Anyways neither of these choices have illumination but the Leupold does offer it in their VX5HD lineup. On another site it is incredible how much Leupold gets bashed but I've always had good luck with them although I don't dial, pretty much I set and forget and verify each year. Good luck, maybe just me but I always wanted to try a S&B Summit. I owned a S&B Fixed 4x36 with the #7 reticle which is like a #4 for most brands...anyways I foolishly traded it in here for a Zeiss Conquest I believe. I went back to a like new, never mounted VX3, not the VX3i, 2.5-8x36 for my 700 mountain rifle and am very please fwiw. I prefer the older VX3 so it worked out well for me.

I totally forgot about the Summit.  I thought S&B discontinued it a couple of years, but I see they still show it on their website.  I guess it is still in production.  I recall really liking the version with the 4A reticle.

ILya

Rifle Scopes : Scope suggestion

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Author: BlackSox16
Subject: Scope suggestion
Posted: July/25/2019 at 12:41

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by BlackSox16 BlackSox16 wrote:

Hello to my longtime optic friends...I recognize quite a few usernames still here, and I'm back from a long break.   Anyways to the original poster - How about a 1" tubed Schmidt & Bender Summit 2.5-10x40 ?? I remember when it came out quite some time now it was really rated well...now I don't have one or own one but for me I still prefer 1" tubed scopes which seem to be fading away. I recently tried a Leupold VX5HD 2-10x42mm. Great scope but too big for my tastes on the mountain rifle I use. Anyways neither of these choices have illumination but the Leupold does offer it in their VX5HD lineup. On another site it is incredible how much Leupold gets bashed but I've always had good luck with them although I don't dial, pretty much I set and forget and verify each year. Good luck, maybe just me but I always wanted to try a S&B Summit. I owned a S&B Fixed 4x36 with the #7 reticle which is like a #4 for most brands...anyways I foolishly traded it in here for a Zeiss Conquest I believe. I went back to a like new, never mounted VX3, not the VX3i, 2.5-8x36 for my 700 mountain rifle and am very please fwiw. I prefer the older VX3 so it worked out well for me.

I totally forgot about the Summit.  I thought S&B discontinued it a couple of years, but I see they still show it on their website.  I guess it is still in production.  I recall really liking the version with the 4A reticle.

ILya

Koshkin good too see your still doing your thing here and elsewhere....anyways what are your thoughts on a VX3 2.5-8 vs.  VX3i 2.5-8??Not to hijack but I cant think of another $400 scope that does what these two do and in my humble opinion would fit on the OP posters BLR very nicely....just saying

Rifle Scopes : Scope suggestion

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Author: koshkin
Subject: Scope suggestion
Posted: July/25/2019 at 12:46

Originally posted by BlackSox16 BlackSox16 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by BlackSox16 BlackSox16 wrote:

Hello to my longtime optic friends...I recognize quite a few usernames still here, and I'm back from a long break.   Anyways to the original poster - How about a 1" tubed Schmidt & Bender Summit 2.5-10x40 ?? I remember when it came out quite some time now it was really rated well...now I don't have one or own one but for me I still prefer 1" tubed scopes which seem to be fading away. I recently tried a Leupold VX5HD 2-10x42mm. Great scope but too big for my tastes on the mountain rifle I use. Anyways neither of these choices have illumination but the Leupold does offer it in their VX5HD lineup. On another site it is incredible how much Leupold gets bashed but I've always had good luck with them although I don't dial, pretty much I set and forget and verify each year. Good luck, maybe just me but I always wanted to try a S&B Summit. I owned a S&B Fixed 4x36 with the #7 reticle which is like a #4 for most brands...anyways I foolishly traded it in here for a Zeiss Conquest I believe. I went back to a like new, never mounted VX3, not the VX3i, 2.5-8x36 for my 700 mountain rifle and am very please fwiw. I prefer the older VX3 so it worked out well for me.

I totally forgot about the Summit.  I thought S&B discontinued it a couple of years, but I see they still show it on their website.  I guess it is still in production.  I recall really liking the version with the 4A reticle.

ILya

Koshkin good too see your still doing your thing here and elsewhere....anyways what are your thoughts on a VX3 2.5-8 vs.  VX3i 2.5-8??Not to hijack but I cant think of another $400 scope that does what these two do and in my humble opinion would fit on the OP posters BLR very nicely....just saying

VX-3 and VX-3i are the same scope with different cosmetics.

2.5-8x36 is easily my favourite out of this line-up.  

As far as the BLR goes, it will do well on it.  I am planning to purchase a BLR myself and I already acquired a scope for it: recently discontinued Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 which, frankly, walks all over the VX-3 and you could get it for under $400 for several months.  Not sure if there are still any to be had.

Aside from that, 2.5-8x36 is a good scope in its price range.

ILya
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